On June 3-5, 2013 John Loftus and I engaged in three debates on the existence of God based on our book God or Godless. Along the way I pulled out my microphone and engaged John in several conversations for The Tentative Apologist Podcast. In this fourth segment of the series, recorded as we were driving north to our debate in Red Deer, we cover several topics including natural theology, the definition of the divine, and the doctrine of the Trinity.
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